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<a href="https://www.mindtheproduct.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/colin-and-adrienne.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-19574 alignright" src="https://www.mindtheproduct.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/colin-and-adrienne.jpg" alt="Colin Pal and Adrienne Tan join The Product Experience podcast" width="345" height="345" srcset="https://www.mindtheproduct.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/colin-and-adrienne.jpg 494w, https://www.mindtheproduct.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/colin-and-adrienne-150x150.jpg 150w, https://www.mindtheproduct.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/colin-and-adrienne-300x300.jpg 300w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 345px) 100vw, 345px" /></a></p>
<p>When you want to learn about the state of product management across Asia, there are two people who come to mind: Adrienne Tan (CEO and co-founder of <a href="https://brainmates.com.au/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Brianmates</a> in Sydney) and Colin Pal (Chief Product Officer, <a href="https://www.caterspot.sg/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Caterspot</a> in Kuala Lumpur). With more than 25 years of experience between them, they&#8217;ve been there since the beginning, seen the evolution of the scene and have some amazing advice to share.</p>
<h3><span style="color: inherit; font-family: rawline, sans-serif; font-size: 1.75rem;">Quote of the Episode</span></h3>
<blockquote><p>That tiny little widget has implications for how someone might use and conceive your product. It might have implications for how that product is positioned in the market. It doesn&#8217;t exist by itself, it exists in a bigger context&#8230; [Adrienne Tan]</p></blockquote>
<h3>Listen if you&#8217;d like to learn more about</h3>
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<li>Product Management in Asia and Australia</li>
<li>Remote working</li>
<li>Finding, hiring, and retaining the right talent</li>
<li>How to make good user stories</li>
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<h3><span style="color: inherit; font-family: rawline, sans-serif; font-size: 1.75rem;">Links mentioned in this episode</span></h3>
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<li><a href="https://www.mindtheproduct.com/apac-digital-event/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mind The Product APAC</a></li>
<li>Follow Adrienne on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/adriennetan/" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">LinkedIn</a> and the Brainmates <a href="https://twitter.com/brainmates" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">Twitter</a>, and get more of her on the <a href="https://prodpod.net/category/episodes/" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">ProdPod podcast</a></li>
<li>Follow Colin on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/colinpal1/" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">LinkedIn</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/agilepal" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://piktochart.com" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">Piktochart</a></li>
<li>The <a href="https://realestateguru.com.sg" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">Australia</a> and <a href="https://realestateguru.com.sg" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">Singapore</a> Government digital services</li>
<li><a href="https://www.atlassian.com/" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">Atlassian</a></li>
<li><a href="https://safetyculture.com" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">SafetyCulture</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.seek.com.au/" target="_blank" rel="&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer">Seek</a></li>
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<h3>Thanks to Our Sponsors</h3>
<p>This episode of The Product Experience is supported by our <a href="https://www.mindtheproduct.com/apac-digital-event/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mind the Product APAC</a> sponsors. Throughout the event, they&#8217;re making sure you can visit them digitally, and access their resources and insights, from wherever you are in the world. Click their logos below to see what each has to offer!</p>
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<h3>Hosts</h3>
<p>The Product Experience is hosted by Lily Smith and Randy Silver.</p>
<p><strong>Lily</strong> enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. Lily has spent 13 years in the tech industry working mainly with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She has worked on a diverse range of products &#8211; leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank in Bristol, the Product Managers&#8217; meetup with regular events and talks on Product now with 800+ members and growing. Now the Product Director at Symec, Lily also runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath.</p>
<p>A recovering music journalist and editor, <strong>Randy</strong> has been working as an interactive producer and product manager across the US and UK for nearly 20 years. After launching Amazon’s music stores in the US and UK, Randy has worked with museums and arts groups, online education, media and entertainment, retail and financial services. He’s held Head of Product roles at HSBC and Sainsbury’s, where he also directed their 100+-person product community. Now a trainer, Discovery and Leadership consultant, he&#8217;s spoken at Mind the Product Engage (Hamburg and Manchester), the Business of Software, Turing Festival, a number of ProductTanks (London, Zurich, Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol, Oxford, and Brighton&#8230; so far!) and at conferences across the US and Europe.</p>
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<h3>Music</h3>
<p>Our theme music is from Hamburg-based Pau, featuring ProductTank Hamburg’s own Arne Kittler on bass. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Paupulism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Listen to more on their Facebook page</a></p>
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